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    <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:36:13 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Thinking of buying a Comanche 250...</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141383/141383#msg-141383</link>
      <author>MudFlap</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello all.  I am posting this because I am kicking around the idea of buying a 1959 Comanche 250.  I hope to use this airplane to get my private pilot certificate. The plane hasn't been flown in several years, and hasn't had annuals done in as long.  I have no doubts that it will cost some pretty good money to get it back in the air, but the purchase price will help offset that.  I will be going to Afghanistan soon, and will be gone for a year, so I'll be able to save some money while gone to dump into this plane.  I also plan to get my IA when I come back from the war.<br />
<br />
My question is would it be feasable to use this plane to get my private, (once it's airworthy, obviously)?  I am married and have 4 kids, so owning a plane needs to have practical purposes, not just pleasure.  I have kicked around building an experimental serveral times, but if the right certificated plane comes along at the right price, I'll go that way, such is the case with this 250.<br />
<br />
I have long been a fan of the Bonanza, but the 6 place would be really easy to load too heavy aft, if I wanted to haul the whole family. (Not to mention I'd never be able to afford to buy one).<br />
<br />
Any thoughts would be appreciated.  I know this is a lot of airplane for a first time purchase, especially when I don't even have my private yet, but the price is just too good, its cheaper than a POS Cessna 150.  Thanks for your time.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:36:13 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Piper Arrow svc ceiling, winter flying, O2?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140858/141378#msg-141378</link>
      <author>Ed</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Here's the general area in the sierras where they found Fossets remains.]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:05:21 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Piper Arrow svc ceiling, winter flying, O2?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140858/141377#msg-141377</link>
      <author>Ed</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Here's a picture of Tahoe]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:01:27 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Piper Arrow svc ceiling, winter flying, O2?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140858/141376#msg-141376</link>
      <author>flygirl34q</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Beautiful, huh?? 10,500 feet over the Sierras enroute to Lake Tahoe! :)]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:17:20 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Piper Arrow svc ceiling, winter flying, O2?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140858/141374#msg-141374</link>
      <author>gsengle</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jealous!  Utah?  Colorado?]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:57:46 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Piper Arrow svc ceiling, winter flying, O2?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140858/141372#msg-141372</link>
      <author>flygirl34q</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Me, too.... but where else can U get scenery like this!!<br />
<br />
[IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/flygirl34q/IMG_0417.jpg[/IMG]<br />
<br />
If the weather is right,  how fabulous it is to be able to fly over it! :)]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:45:42 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Piper Arrow svc ceiling, winter flying, O2?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140858/141371#msg-141371</link>
      <author>gsengle</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Luckily I fly where MEAs are in the 2000 and 3000 foot range ;)]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:30:33 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Anyone use AvBlend?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141136/141370#msg-141370</link>
      <author>Dave</author>
      <description><![CDATA[apogee Wrote:<br />
-------------------------------------------------------<br />
<br />
&gt; thought was humorous was the MSDS. It turns out<br />
&gt; that AvBlend is just food grade white mineral oil.<br />
<br />
If you really beilieve that go ahead and drink a can of it and get back to me in a week or two.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:24:51 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Anyone use AvBlend?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141136/141367#msg-141367</link>
      <author>Bill</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I use camguard, I had a sticking valve...it went away.]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:39:10 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Cheyenne 1 and 11 Cabin Differencial (PSI)?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141246/141366#msg-141366</link>
      <author>Ralph</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The MM calls for 5.30 to 5.50 psi cabin differential at 70% compressor Ng speed.  Max is 5.5 psi.  Anything less than 5.3 at 70% calls for maintenance action.]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:32:33 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Anyone use AvBlend?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141136/141364#msg-141364</link>
      <author>thyslip</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I recently found that thread also, to funny.  I might give the camguard a try, not sure.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:15:59 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Powerflow Exhaust Leak Update</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141363/141363#msg-141363</link>
      <author>thyslip</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Ok, so I had the local A&amp;P take a look at the 140 and he found a crack and small hole in the main collector assembly.  Here is my concern, as part of the pre-buy / annual inspection a Powerflow dealer/mechanic(A&amp;P/IA) inspected and performed the routine maintenance on the exhaust.  The plane was only flown from the mechanic to me for delivery and I found the leak on my first flight.  WTF, there is no way that crack and hole happened in a 50 minute flight. Below is the email I sent the dealer/mechanic and their response about the exhaust during the annual.  Any recommendations?  <br />
<br />
---------------------------------------<br />
Name removed,<br />
<br />
I was reading about the powerflow exhausts and how some of the early models had cracking problems.  I talked to the service rep at power flow and he suggested I check the log books to see if the routine maintenance was done to the powerflow over the years.  He said it should be disassembled every year and the  slip joints lubricated with high temp anti sieve.  He also recommended  the propeller be dynamically balanced every 2 years to limit vibrations.  Do you recall if the logs books show this ever being done and if during the recent annual  the powerflow was disassembled and lubricated?  If not, is that something I could pay for your shop to do and also check for cracks in the welds as an “exhaust prebuy”.  I hope you had a nice weekend.<br />
<br />
Thanks again, <br />
Tom<br />
--------------------------------------------<br />
Hi Tom, <br />
<br />
Once again, you’re in luck! I have reviewed the aircraft records and previously inspected the aircrafts Power-flow exhaust. The records make no mention of the required routine maintenance and there was no evidence of it having been performed on the aircraft. We are in fact a Power-flow dealer and are very familiar with the “instructions for continued airworthiness” for the Power-flow products. We have already performed this maintenance on your aircraft as a matter of a check list item when we find that Power-flow is installed.  <br />
<br />
Given that the previous maintenance appears to have been overlooked, one might ask the question: Did this cause any damage? The answer for this aircraft is no. The aircraft has seen very little flight time since the exhaust installation and therefore the impact of poor joint lubrication and vibration has been little or none. This exhaust system is in very good shape and should give many more years service. I hope this helps.<br />
<br />
My weekend was great!! And I hope yours was as well!!<br />
<br />
Regards,<br />
<br />
Name removed]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:13:45 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: autopilots</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140503/141358#msg-141358</link>
      <author>courtman</author>
      <description><![CDATA[brhines,<br />
<br />
In my Arrow, the equation is 430+60PSS+IIIB+GPSS+AltPre=greatIFR<br />
<br />
I will eventually invest in the upgrade kit and get the S-Tec 60 to resolve the attitude vs rate based issue PK pointed out.<br />
<br />
I didn't have the bucks at the time of install so I opted to use my IIIB a bit longer and then upgrade at a later time (when the wallet is thicker again). S-Tec 60 offers pretty much the same functionality as 55X but is not radio styled.<br />
<br />
Btw, my setup flies great - no wing rocking - and very precise.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:51:38 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: autopilots</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140503/141356#msg-141356</link>
      <author>brhines</author>
      <description><![CDATA[ndemarco, thanks for the info.  Have you had any issues with your IIIB?  Mine works about 90% of the time; when it doesn't work, I get a pretty bad &quot;wing wave&quot; action back and forth, until I disconnect.  Sometimes in the same flight, I can re-arm and it will work again normally; sometimes it won't.  But it always starts working again at some point, and this doesn't happen but about 10% of the time.  You think it might be a servo or a connector issue?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:59:37 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: autopilots</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140503/141355#msg-141355</link>
      <author>Rich W</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I use the STEC 30 and love it.  I have GPSS with it and altitude hold.  It does everything I need.  It will not fly to and stop at a preestablished altitude or fly the ILS like the 55x but it is a lot less expensive.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:51:18 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Serial number vs Year of manufacturing</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/94713/141350#msg-141350</link>
      <author>Ralph</author>
      <description><![CDATA[It is the 49th 1985 Warrior II built out of a total of 99 built that model year. <br />
<br />
28 = PA-28<br />
85 = 1985<br />
16 = 161<br />
049 = sequential number]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:35:19 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Magneto Booster</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/139772/141348#msg-141348</link>
      <author>apogee</author>
      <description><![CDATA[&quot;Usually the BIGGEST thing with a new or newly o/h'd mag is that the <br />
E-Gap is correct. This is NOT Point Gap but it is verifying that the <br />
Rotating Magnet is in the optimum position to generate the hottest spark.Slick &amp; Bendix (TCM) use entirely different methods to check the E-Gap. It does change in service. <br />
Point or Cam (Follower) wear in the mag will change magneto to engine<br />
timing &amp; Magneto Internal Timing ( E-Gap ) as well.&quot;<br />
<br />
This is good advise. It is just not that tough to set the proper E gap. If that sucker is off in the slightest the quality of your spark goes right down the tubes. All of that about impulse couplings and retard breakers is moot unless you start at the beginning with the E gap. I run fine wires myself and keep the gap on the minimum to insure the path of least resistance is through my plugs. Not a Slick fan either........]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:26:23 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Anyone use AvBlend?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141136/141346#msg-141346</link>
      <author>apogee</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I read that long post. It was very informative. I have many friends that run MMMO every other tank because they cannot afford AvBlend. The part I thought was humorous was the MSDS. It turns out that AvBlend is just food grade white mineral oil. You can buy it by the barrel if you want to run it. If you want it to look just like the stuff in the can for twenty bucks, add a drop of food coloring and call it day.............]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:15:16 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Serial number vs Year of manufacturing</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/94713/141344#msg-141344</link>
      <author>gayle</author>
      <description><![CDATA[So s/n 28-8516049 would be a 1985 model? What else can you tell from the s/n?]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:59:11 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: autopilots</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140503/141334#msg-141334</link>
      <author>ndemarco</author>
      <description><![CDATA[brhines<br />
<br />
I have a Dakota with the Piper IIIB and the S-Tec 60 PSS. It is very nice for a simple autopilot.<br />
<br />
The IIIB has to be engaged before the pitch axis can be engaged.<br />
<br />
If you're at altitude and you get a new alt from ATC, you press and hold UP or DN. 20ft/second of press alt correction.<br />
<br />
To descend, press VS (switches off ALT) and press+hold DN for three seconds (160ft/s per second of button press).<br />
<br />
It'll arm to capture glideslope.<br />
<br />
PK is right about the failure modes. An HSI is nice to have and eliminates the DG/HI vacuum dependency.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:42:42 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Jeppesen Skybound</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141248/141328#msg-141328</link>
      <author>flygirl34q</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Not sure which sux more.... 1. Jeppesen software/hardware issues  2. Paying that bill for the updates so U can use the software/hardware or 3. Having to actually use the information they send U in a tough weather situation. :(<br />
<br />
Happy U found the answer U were looking for print! :)]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:49:18 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Stiff Throttle Cable</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140390/141318#msg-141318</link>
      <author>ed dartford</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The rotary engines used in many WW1 planes had only two power settings...full power, and none.  This was accomplished  by shorting out the ignition.  Partial power was accomplished by allowing short bursts of power, as needed.  So you were flying like a WW1 pilot, except that you only had to make it down to the runway.  Also, you were using cut off of fuel rather than ignition. The rotary engines were lubricated by castor oil mixed with the gas, and the unburnt fuel being constantly inhaled by the pilots let to gastric difficulies you can only imagine.  At least you didn't have to deal with that.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:27:50 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Are you a fan of Laminar Flow ?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141225/141314#msg-141314</link>
      <author>JimC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I was polite.  Let me know if you want me to be impolite... :-)<br />
<br />
JimC]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:05:51 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Are you a fan of Laminar Flow ?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141225/141305#msg-141305</link>
      <author>Sac Arrow</author>
      <description><![CDATA[That tone of voice sounds oddly familiar...]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:49:04 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Are you a fan of Laminar Flow ?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141225/141304#msg-141304</link>
      <author>POS Moderator</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Awww... give the guy a chance, JimC! He came to visit us on this Forum, the least we can do is to be polite. At least it's a website advertising Piper speed mods... not knock-off Tiffany jewelry! I did delete the extra thread that was posted... only one to a customer.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:27:32 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Stiff Throttle Cable</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/140390/141302#msg-141302</link>
      <author>John P</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Well.......I thought I had a few more flights left in that old throttle cable - I had the new one in the hangar ready for the A&amp;P to install. I went out one more time and on short final as I reduced the power.........ssssssnap.....no more throttle cable....I used the mixture to adjust my power setting.....Luckily my destination was close by and my A&amp;P came out to the ramp and we replaced it......but....ouch....John]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:53:54 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Are you a fan of Laminar Flow ?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141225/141301#msg-141301</link>
      <author>JimC</author>
      <description><![CDATA[First Liz and now, Gaither.  I wonder what the next spam source will be?<br />
JimC]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:49:37 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Magneto Booster</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/139772/141300#msg-141300</link>
      <author>John P</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hey thanks - I'll try the impulse coupler...John]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:48:31 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Are you a fan of Laminar Flow ?</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141225/141295#msg-141295</link>
      <author>Sac Arrow</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Nope. Or Myspace or any of that. Home slice lives off the grid.]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:39:37 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Jeppesen Skybound</title>
      <link>http://forums.piperowner.org/read/1/141248/141289#msg-141289</link>
      <author>print2race</author>
      <description><![CDATA[That was it, I needed the newer software version. Thanks for the time and effort!]]></description>
      <category>General Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:42:24 -0600</pubDate>
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