http://forums.piperowner.org/list/5 EN Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:35:26 -0600 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:35:26 -0600 Modifications Phorum 5.1.25 60 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143571#msg-143571 JimC JimC]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143571#msg-143571 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:35:26 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143567#msg-143567 Jim Wells Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143567#msg-143567 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:50:12 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/68494/143566#msg-143566 Dan Blumel -------------------------------------------------------
> Reflector design has a HUGE affect on light
> output. We have tested some of the higher wattage
> systems and found no increase in light output
> (some were less) vs our 35w systems mainly because
> the reflectors were not optimized for HID lamps.
>
> We also sell the PowerPULSE light controller that
> allows wing tip lights to be flashed (together) or
> pulsed (side to side).

Aviation Consumer Compared our 50 watt to 35 watt versions from Lopresti and the others a couple of years ago. Aviation Consumers called the difference between our 50 watt and all the others as "Stupefyingly" bright. Our 50 watt produces ~65% more light than any Lopresti 35 watt HID. Yes, reflector design and coating quality can have a hoge impact on output performance. We use premium reflectors.

The powerpulse from Lopresti (same as MaxPulse) is NOT suitable for wig wag of HID because the 5 second warmup they offer is way too short. All HID requires 20-30 seconds of warmup before pulsing, so the plasma can reach steady state before pulsing. There are No exceptions to this fact. Only the 1 Hz or 60 PPM each channel (120 ppm both channels) is ok for HID. Do NOT use their other Powerpulse speeds. If these industry accepted facts are not followed bulb life will be cut by 1/2 or more. Early ballast failure is also likely.

XeVision has a US patent on this warmup Pulsing of HID technology. Patent Awarded Nov. 2009]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/68494/143566#msg-143566 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:28:32 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143550#msg-143550 JimC the 65[sub]2[/sub]-415. From the outboard side of the fuel tanks inboard to the fuselage, the wings are identical both in physical size and shape.
JimC]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143550#msg-143550 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:03:34 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143538#msg-143538 Bob Peniston
Bob]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143538/143538#msg-143538 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:41:01 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143396#msg-143396 JimC JimC]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143396#msg-143396 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:14 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143360#msg-143360 Robin Thomas
The only aluminum ones are Laminar Flow Systems (me). We have been making them since 1983, and they are guaranteed for life. They never have to be removed for any type of service. You can see pics at www.laminarflowsystems.com

K2U also makes hinge fairings, but they are made of plastic, and are one piece. LoPresti makes fiberglass ones similar to LFS, except they have to be removed from time to time.

Claims vary, but in my opinion, anything over 2 knots is bogus.

Give me a call or email: 386 451 1957 robin.gt@gmail.com


Regards

Robin
President
Laminar Flow Systems Inc. also an Arrow owner!]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143360#msg-143360 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:29:09 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143357#msg-143357 magman
The 180, Challenger & Archer are ALL Hershey -Bars.

It is the Archer 2 that went to a tapered wing.

The Challenger utilized a "riveted - on " Wing Extension".

Maybe about 16 inches?

The other mentioned item was "235 Stab Tips".

Seems like Isham Mods.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143357#msg-143357 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:11:15 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/46020/143347#msg-143347 Mike
thanks

Mike]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/46020/143347#msg-143347 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:01:57 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143345#msg-143345 hcaud1
Hugh]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/31797/143345#msg-143345 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:43:43 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143232/143293#msg-143293 Robin Thomas
I flew quite few turbo Lances and normally aspirated Lances when I was based in the U.S Virgin islands. My customers would normally fly them down from Florida, stopping on the way, then I would modify them and fly them back non stop.(1000 statute miles)

I felt that the turbo Lance was the best travelling machine ever. I was able to fly at over 160 knots burning only 11 gallons per hour, and never had any problem with overheating, although we are talking Caribbean temperatures.

The secret, in my opinion, is to climb at much higher than book speeds to keep the engine cool, and to cruise at 65% power or less, leaned well lean of peak. If you do that, your engine will last just as long as a normally aspirated one plus you will have great altitude performance.

If you would like more details, please email me at robin.gt@gmail.com, and I'll be happy to help.

Robin Thomas
Laminar Flow Systems Inc.
(www.laminarflowsystems.com)]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143232/143293#msg-143293 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:43:36 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143179/143274#msg-143274 PilotKris
Fabrication techniques (bend radius, hole spacing, no sharp inside corners etc.) will also have a huge effect on strength. AC43.13 is a great resource.

Or you can hire a DER to design one. I have a feeling that the mount won't be much lighter but your wallet sure will...


PilotKris]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143179/143274#msg-143274 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:56:19 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143232/143232#msg-143232 adam
Adam]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143232/143232#msg-143232 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:56:03 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143179/143196#msg-143196 JimC Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143179/143196#msg-143196 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:19:55 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/105017/143187#msg-143187 Marc delos Santos
Looking forward hearing from you. Your kind and attention on this matter is very much appreciated.thank you.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/105017/143187#msg-143187 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:48:54 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143179/143179#msg-143179 PaulB
Is there a readily available source that would provide information about the load bearing capability of a 12" square (or any other defined area) section of 2024 T3 in .025 vs .032 vs .090? Thanks.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/143179/143179#msg-143179 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:02:04 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/143073#msg-143073 PilotKris
But an airplane always has zero side loads as long as the pilot keeps the ball centered...

PilotKris]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/143073#msg-143073 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:37:39 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/143027#msg-143027 glenn j
It's a one-of-a-kind to show off the avionics shop's capabilities.

I too would buy a newer plane with most of that already installed, for the same price. The 2003-2005 6X is the same price, or less if it has steam gauges. Even so, you can put a G600 into a 6X and be way ahead of this NX.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/143027#msg-143027 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:33:37 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142948#msg-142948 JimC JimC]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142948#msg-142948 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:33:14 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142919#msg-142919 magman
name!

Really liked what is there.

My take is you really increase the utility of your aircraft by

utilizing grass strips.

Most "Collapsible Gear" aircraft have a small nosewheel & a lot of weight on it.

So they have to go 25 miles from the destination to find a paved strip.

With your Cherokee ( and all 6:00 x 6 tires) you can land on grass

most days.

When the field is soft Mooneys have to go elsehere.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142919#msg-142919 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:36:21 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142915#msg-142915 JimC
It will slow down the acceleration, although in back to back comparisons using the same pilot and passenger in both planes, my 150C (160hp) with 62" prop gets off the ground shorter and climbs faster than a 180C carrying the same payload.
JimC]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142915#msg-142915 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:36:56 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/142911#msg-142911 JoeB
Regards,
Joe]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/142911#msg-142911 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:27:48 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142897#msg-142897 magman
Probably 1400 "useable"& is 1 way IN other way OUT.

Adding to the joy is that it also has wires at both ends.

Actually not that difficult but INTIMIDATING.

At lift -off the VSI shows a descent.

Most stock aircraft do ok , but you really don't want to give up anything either.

I don't think Travelers or Yankees would do well here.

A Prop pitch increase might increase cruise speed but might have an effect on acceleration.


Think I'll check out AM's site again.

Haven't been there in a while.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142897#msg-142897 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:16:35 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142870#msg-142870 JimC
The first thing you need to do is rig the plane to stock neutral and fly it, then one flap to get rid of the heavy wing (if you still have one after rigging neutral), then if you so desire -- rig both flaps and ailerons 2 degrees up from that appropriately rigged condition.

Magman, Art flys his two Cherokees off a 600 foot grass strip that he's built in his back yard. He does have about 200 feet of asphalt about 12 feet wide that he uses to get rolling and for braking. He flys in in one direction, and out the other. Consequently, he's as interested in short field as he is in extra speed. How short is your 'somewhat short' runway? If very short, sounds like you're one way in and the other out as well.
JimC]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142870#msg-142870 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:47:22 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142863#msg-142863 AJDrac
I was going to wait on the next annual to do any rigging that requires panel removal, but if it's particularly easy and not time consuming to do it seems it would make little difference and I might as well get it done sooner rather than later.

On the subject of a service manual, anyone know a good source for one? I've had some difficulty locating it (not used to dealing with documents I can't download!).

Thanks for everything so far. I consider myself reasonably handy with tools but have little experience working with my airplane so far, so all of you have been a big help getting me started.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142863#msg-142863 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:33:51 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142856#msg-142856 magman
My thoughts are more focused on the "other end of the spectrum".

I live about 150 yds from a somewhat short "one-way" grass runway.

About 100 ft difference "Uphill" vs "Downhill".]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142856#msg-142856 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:25:07 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/142854#msg-142854 PaulR Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142557/142854#msg-142854 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:04:23 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142850#msg-142850 JimC
They're not worthless. If you install all three, you'll pick up about 3 knots.

At risk of offending you, you need the help of an AP/IA to accomplish this rerigging. And I get the impression that you don't have a parts manual or service manual. Without them, there isn't anything you can do to address the rigging.

Re achievable cruise speeds, my Cherokee 150C (160 hp) currently cruises at about 135 knots at 7500-8000 feet when lightly loaded (me and about 36 gallons of fuel). Heavy and down low, I don't do that well in cruise. Down low, my top speed in level flight is about 141 knots at 2790 rpm with 62" pitch. At the moment, my pitch limit is in making minimum static rpm in the wintertime. I think I'm probably 10 or 12 knots away from achieving potential Cherokee cruise speeds.

Magman, it's possible that I may have some additional information about Art's thinking. He and I are old friends, talk several times a month, and visit about once a year (we live in different parts of the country).

JimC]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142850#msg-142850 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:37:23 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142843#msg-142843 PilotKris
You mentioned wanting to re-pitch higher so are you hitting redline before WOT? If you are, flying higher were you can fly WOT (at Best Power) and benefit from higher TAS might be an alternative to re-pitching the prop.

I echo what everyone else said, if you've got a "heavy" wing, your rigging is out and is certainly costing you speed.

PilotKris]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142843#msg-142843 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:25:53 -0600 http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142841#msg-142841 magman
Aileron bellcranks are located just forward of the inboard end of the

aileron. The pushrod is about a foot long. There is an access panel

there ( 4 screws I think).

"When your shoes are off is also a good time to change yours socks?"

To me it makes sense to rig flaps & ailerons at the same time.

There is time lost every time you start another job.

If you have fixture , tensiometer , etc already why not?



Approx .060 steel , alum or ? will work for the Bellcrank Tool.

The Bellcrank Tool has plans in the Service Manual.

Anyone that DOES NOT have this in some form should put the tools away

right now.]]> Modifications http://forums.piperowner.org/read/5/142742/142841#msg-142841 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:13:10 -0600